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Old Apr 20, 2006, 11:50 PM // 23:50   #161
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It's very easy to run 2 clients at the same time without breaking the EULA at all.
Once again I'm sorry, I obviously didn't read the EULA carefully enough. Maybe what I saw was something about hacking the client to give yourself an advantage or whatnot. Maybe I'll go see if I can get 2 to run without doing anything to it, even though I only have one account.
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Old Apr 20, 2006, 11:50 PM // 23:50   #162
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Capitalism and Marketing wins another victory against the evil forces of Generosity. And just like in Star Wars Episode 3, it happens to the sound of cheering.

Well, at least it now becomes amply obvious just WHY anet has been so stingy with the slots til now. They wanted to gain maximum revenue from this new gold mine.

Obviously, Anet regrets not having a monthly cost, and now seek to make up for that. They don't want GW to be cheap and sweet. They see the money Blizzard is reaping, and want some of the same.

It's getting scarier and scarier. I'll move to WoW if this goes on. Really. WoW has far more roleplaying features, after all, and that's way more interesting than complex guild combat that I never ever use.

Basically what's happening is Anet is making the nerds more powerful, while casual players suffer.

I can't see why anyone thinks this is positive.
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Old Apr 20, 2006, 11:50 PM // 23:50   #163
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I like the idea of being able to purchase extra slots, one because I lots of people want this for worthwhile reasons, and this will also provide some more funds towards the devs to make our game even better.

However, I think their should still be a cap, or a max number of characters, because like many have said before, if every account has 15 chars... servers are going to be extremely overloaded.

so yay, for the option to buy more char slots, but I hope A-net thought ahead and made a cap for this as well.
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Old Apr 20, 2006, 11:52 PM // 23:52   #164
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Great news. I'll be buying Factions after all.

And, being a very vindictive person by nature, I sincerely hope all the people on the slot issue threads who never offered anything more constructive than flaming me or telling me to get a second account, find themselves in circumstances not of their liking. Like having soon-to-be pointless second accounts.

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Old Apr 20, 2006, 11:54 PM // 23:54   #165
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Capitalism and Marketing wins another victory against the evil forces of Generosity. And just like in Star Wars Episode 3, it happens to the sound of cheering.

Well, at least it now becomes amply obvious just WHY anet has been so stingy with the slots til now. They wanted to gain maximum revenue from this new gold mine.

Obviously, Anet regrets not having a monthly cost, and now seek to make up for that. They don't want GW to be cheap and sweet. They see the money Blizzard is reaping, and want some of the same.

It's getting scarier and scarier. I'll move to WoW if this goes on. Really. WoW has far more roleplaying features, after all, and that's way more interesting than complex guild combat that I never ever use.

Basically what's happening is Anet is making the nerds more powerful, while casual players suffer.

I can't see why anyone thinks this is positive.
Before you get too carried away, how would A-Net be able to afford to just give out $100,000 in cash to a few gamers who win a tournament if they're not making tons of money?
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Old Apr 20, 2006, 11:57 PM // 23:57   #166
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I like the idea of being able to purchase extra slots, one because I lots of people want this for worthwhile reasons, and this will also provide some more funds towards the devs to make our game even better.

However, I think their should still be a cap, or a max number of characters, because like many have said before, if every account has 15 chars... servers are going to be extremely overloaded.

so yay, for the option to buy more char slots, but I hope A-net thought ahead and made a cap for this as well.
The number of slots a person has will not overload the server. Think about it:

You can only play one character at a time regardless of the number of slots you have on an account. You consume no extra bandwidth when you add slots.

I'd hazard to guess that ANets biggest costs are related to paying for network bandwidth and NOT storage. Storage costs trend downward historically. Bandwidth does too, but ANet's bandwidth usage is probably climbing. (I assume this because if it were decreasing their business would also be decreasing and that would be bad.) So long term adding slots will add a negligible amount of storage cost AND bandwidth costs due to new players is offset by the price of Prophecies/Factions.

The pricing of slots is pure gravy. It's $10 because that's what the market will bare. There's big demand for it and it's probably very profitable for ANet since it costs very little in terms of development (unlike new content).

EDIT: This isn't a complaint, it's an observation.
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Old Apr 20, 2006, 11:59 PM // 23:59   #167
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Well if they do this, i beg for a merge account features. With these slots being added, having 2 accounts is pointless.
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...and if merging isn't an option can I please have a refund on my now no longer needed 2nd account so I can use the money to buy slots on my main account? I only got it for extra slots and tbh having two accounts is a pain in the arse when transferring stuff.
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Old Apr 21, 2006, 12:03 AM // 00:03   #168
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Obviously, Anet regrets not having a monthly cost, and now seek to make up for that. They don't want GW to be cheap and sweet. They see the money Blizzard is reaping, and want some of the same.

It's getting scarier and scarier. I'll move to WoW if this goes on. Really. WoW has far more roleplaying features.
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Old Apr 21, 2006, 12:03 AM // 00:03   #169
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...and if merging isn't an option can I please have a refund on my now no longer needed 2nd account so I can use the money to buy slots on my main account? I only got it for extra slots and tbh having two accounts is a pain in the arse when transferring stuff.
They won't do this. Think about it: When Prophecies drops to $19.99 at Best Buy what's going to stop people from running out and getting 4 slots for $20? That's half off the $10/slot model ANet is pushing.
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Old Apr 21, 2006, 12:04 AM // 00:04   #170
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That whole negative thing he posted.
I'd bash you, but two people beat me to it, so I thought I'd pull the punch for you. Although I for one would like to know how you equate GW character slots with the fall of the Galactic Republic...

ANet is, from what I can tell, a decent company. They've given us loads of shit for free this past year. A downright insane amount of stuff. They're offering character slots for independent purchase because we asked for it.

I do believe that many of the devs never expected us to want so many slots. But they must now realize that we are in fact insatiable. They are not out to scam us. A company exists to provide goods and services in exchange for money. That is the foundation of our economic system. ANet is no different. They need money. They want money (not in a bad way; merely a fact). We have money. It's a logical progression. We asked for something, and now they're giving it to us. Those aren't just Mursaat tokens they're offering us. They're ectos, baby.

I can just picture Gaile Gray going to talk to Jeff Strain... [warning: dramatization may not have occured] "Hey, word on the forums is that people will pay us money for more character slots." And Jeff's eyes would light up with a gleam. "Jackpot!"
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Old Apr 21, 2006, 12:06 AM // 00:06   #171
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The number of slots a person has will not overload the server. Think about it:

You can only play one character at a time regardless of the number of slots you have on an account. You consume no extra bandwidth when you add slots.

I'd hazard to guess that ANets biggest costs are related to paying for network bandwidth and NOT storage. Storage costs trend downward historically. Bandwidth does too, but ANet's bandwidth usage is probably climbing. (I assume this because if it were decreasing their business would also be decreasing and that would be bad.) So long term adding slots will add a negligible amount of storage cost AND bandwidth costs due to new players is offset by the price of Prophecies/Factions.

The pricing of slots is pure gravy. It's $10 because that's what the market will bare. There's big demand for it and it's probably very profitable for ANet since it costs very little in terms of development (unlike new content).
This sounds correct, but more character storage will also require more physical disk storage. Yes, hard disks are getting cheaper all the time, but ANET is probably running NetApp, Fast-T, EMC, or other DASD-type RAID array to protect their customer data. HD's fail all the time, so maintaining and protecting larger databases inherently costs more money.
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Old Apr 21, 2006, 12:07 AM // 00:07   #172
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XANIERA: Well... How about you turn that around? Why do the prize have to be money? Why does it *ALWAYS* have to be about money? It's as unimaginative as it can be. Why not just give them the expansion pack for free or something? Isn't the fun they had winning the tournament enough? Obviously, they think the players were working or something, and needed recompensation. xD
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Old Apr 21, 2006, 12:09 AM // 00:09   #173
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Once again I'm sorry, I obviously didn't read the EULA carefully enough. Maybe what I saw was something about hacking the client to give yourself an advantage or whatnot. Maybe I'll go see if I can get 2 to run without doing anything to it, even though I only have one account.
IIRC, you can only login to an account in one instance at a time.
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Old Apr 21, 2006, 12:10 AM // 00:10   #174
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I believe that 10 bucks for extra char slot is not bad, but going beyond this like 5 bucks for skin etc. is bad I hope it will never happen for GW.
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Old Apr 21, 2006, 12:14 AM // 00:14   #175
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10 bucks per slot, I think I'll keep my money.
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Old Apr 21, 2006, 12:18 AM // 00:18   #176
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I wish people would stop fixating on their own circumstances long enough to get a glimpse of the bigger picture. The hardcore forum-rat with thousands of hours played is not the demographic these decisions are being made around.
What makes you so sure? Last I checked it has been because of this fierce forum rats that anet has considered selling us more slots unless its even more spindoctering (ergo stating that they are doing it on demands of the community but were planning to do so from the start) In any case every demographic is an issue as long as it will bring in enough $$ compared to the costs.

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The limits on character slots are there largely to encourage a different pricing scheme for families - namely, one account per person, not one account per machine.
4 characterslots or 6 characterslots, not much of a difference seeing that in most cases families can choose to play 1 char. But in the end the limitting factor in this play is not the number of characterslots but actually the inability to log in with multiple chars from the same account. And last I checked i have nowhere seen an option to buy 4 accounts for the price of 3 under certain restrictions (ergo linked to a macadress or the same cc or the identitycard of the users or...)

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I don't think they honestly care how many characters you have on your account, but they want them to all be *your* characters. They don't want you to have six characters, plus each of your kids with two, plus one for your wife, plus one for that buddy who comes over every Tuesday. Their financial life is tied to the number of copies sold, not the monthly fees coming in, and they need people to have their own copies.
so how does not handing out 8 characterslots for the combination offer that. If i can play with 2 people on 4 charslots, i'll be able to play for sure with 2 people on 6 charslots.

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You want to know why you don't get 8 slots for merging? Exactly the same reasons. They don't want two people who share a machine to each buy one game and merge them to get full, unhindered access to both sets of content. That's why the formula isn't 4 characters per chapter, but 2 characters *per account* plus 2 characters *per chapter*.
once more how does that stop me from sharing 2 charslots from account 1 and 2 charslots from account 2. In the end it is the same. If I only care about playing the game and having access to the chapters. It is less convenient I agree, but it sure as hell is not going to dissuade me from not doing so. So meh.
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I'm also getting really bloody tired of people arguing about character slots as though the slot is the ultimate determinant of value. What is the value of a character slot that you can't access content with? Exactly, nothing. The only reason you care about a character slot at all is because it can be used to access the game world, find loot, interact with other players, and otherwise *play the game*.
My mom once told me what to if I was tired of having to eat chickensoup everyday. Her answer was simply, if you don't like it then to bad, you always have the choice to put your head beside the plate. Ergo, if you are so tired of people arguiing about something like this, then I suggest that from now on you stop reading these threads and ignore these posts. But if these items turn up it is because some people found it meaningfull enough to highlight, even if it was for the umptieth time.

in any case, the magnitude of the content that you can access has no value whatsoever on the content that you can access in a chapterwise setup seeing that a chapter inherently implies access with previous characters to the next chapters. Not to mention that these characterslots aren't linked to the world in question (cantha or tyria) but actually to the account of the person in question... therefore you'll have to look upon these characterslots as standalone in stead of in tandem with the content they are interlinked with, seeing that this content is accountbased in stead of characterbased...

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Why are people talking about things like how big the game world is, what the new items are, and generally how much content there is in the expansion? Because that's what they're paying for. If there isn't much for them to play through, character slots become worth effectively nothing.
I would disagree seeing that if there is a lack of content, people will want a way to make up for this lack. And this can mostly best be done by taking another char through the same content. Just as a person takes a cleric through baldurs gate 2 it won't stop him from x weeks/days later take a swashbuckler through the game or a sorcerer or a ... The lesser the content the higher the number of characters people will want to take through this content.

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What's the value of a character slot that can never leave pre-searing?
depends on the person that you are asking it to. But seeing that presear is not a state of content this is irrelevant.

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A character slot that only has access to a single chapter costs around $12. Character slots with access to two chapters cost $16 for starters. Is a character with access to twice the content worth 33% more? Not if you listen to the arguments here, where the slot is the *only* measure of value. What about when chapter 3 comes out, and you get slots with triple the content for $18 - 50% more money for triple the content!
Well seeing that most people already paid for the account to have access to a certain part of the content, it is actually logical to conclude that the number of characters on your account don't matter since content is a factor of the account and not a factor or variable from the characterslot. It will increase the value of the entire account but not the value of an individual charslot. If you can't understand that, i would suggest you to look up the word synergie.

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A.Net does everyone a huge favor and offers additional slots for those of us with way too many hours logged and not enough space - and actually offers them at an awesome value. Merged account slots are worth $16 but you can buy them for $10? Awesome. It keeps getting better as you add more chapters as well.
That is your 'opinion', while other people have the opinion that they get shafted. In the end it is the individual person who decides and in here people are simply stating that 10$ is a tad to much for what they get while other people say it is great. Besides those aren't account slots, those are character slots.

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If you're worshipping the slots and not the content, you just got a fat offer from A.Net to *double* the content for each of your character slots for the low price of $20. Complaints? Naturally. Unhindered access to content should be free, because slots are the only thing with value.
Actually this is so sarcastically written but what you expect with a person like you, but in the end all i'll be saying is that access to content should be free seeing that you payed for that access on that account by buying the game and applying the key. On top of that you also bought access to characterslots for that account. Since that is exactly what a chapter does... it gets comprised in something, a book, a novel, or an account... You don't buy chapters to simply throw out half of it because it is a cost for bundling them...

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I'm going to be interested to see what these people's reaction is when the bundles start coming out. Haven't thought about it? You know they're coming. Chapter 1+2 together for the price of one, Christmas special!
wouldn't expect anything else, but as long as they get the same as anybody else I won't feel offended. It doesn't matter if they payed a tad less then me and gotten that pack.

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But perhaps more interesting, would be how those reactions would change if that bundle only gave four character slots, instead of six.
If it would only containt 4 characterslots I would be pissed seeing that they are entitled to the full six (but actually 8) characterslots. The reason behind it is simple though, it is a special bundled offer. Just like we got the special bundled preorder offer which they won't get. Naturally it will all depend on the characteristics of the seperate packages. ergo if they contain the same items as the standard versions (ce, se, the other one) then they should get the same advantages that we get when combining. If however the items are different (ergo chapter 1 and chapter 2 expansion pack) then I won't disagree seeing that the items in questions are a different product. However if we go and buy factions now we get the same product, payed for it but in the end we get less for the same buck.
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Well if they do this, i beg for a merge account features. With these slots being added, having 2 accounts is pointless.
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Dear A-net:

I have purchased 2 GW clients, I am supporting A-NET financially twice than most of other players. And I wont be able to win tournament which means I will not take money out from you, I am a total supporter. Would you give me option to merge my 2 accounts for making me feel better.
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Old Apr 21, 2006, 12:20 AM // 00:20   #178
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2 accounts at the same time so you can run yourself/trade among accounts
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Old Apr 21, 2006, 12:27 AM // 00:27   #179
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If you people are willing to pay $10.00 for an extra account, then go ahead.. I really dont understand what the big deal is, how is an extra slot gonna give you advantage in a game were most of the runes you need are only 125 gold, and the rest are 3000 faction. Its not like the weapons people are buying are making that much of a difference anyway. And you unlock skills and weapons so storage is completely useless in PVP anyway. And once factions comes out, are you really going to play your old Prophecies PVE charecters anyway? Your gonna have to buy all the new skills at 1plat a pop.. With over 300 new skills that will get expensive.
Personally id rather pay a $10 - 20 dollar montly charge and get wonderfull new PVP and PVE content then have to suffer through stagnant old Prophices content again. The PVP got insanely dull, i kept on waiting untill there would be more options then tombs and random and team arenas, and it never came. I dont like that im going to be stuck with these options for 6 months or even more, depending.. But hey, what can I do
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XANIERA: Well... How about you turn that around? Why do the prize have to be money? Why does it *ALWAYS* have to be about money? It's as unimaginative as it can be. Why not just give them the expansion pack for free or something? Isn't the fun they had winning the tournament enough? Obviously, they think the players were working or something, and needed recompensation. xD
I'm just saying they're already making plenty of money if they can give this kind of a thank-you for playing their game. We (the players) asked for slots, and they gave them to us. It's called customer service. People like you if you do things for them.

Edit: Didn't see that last post you made. Yes, they wouldn't be hurt by giving character slots for free, but since people think that "no fee = less updates," now think "buy slots = more updates."

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IIRC, you can only login to an account in one instance at a time.
Yes, I know, but I was going to try it just to see if I could get 2 running at once. I wouldn't be able to log in with both, I'd have to have one sit at the login screen, say "cool I did it," and close the 2nd one.
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